>> obama and romney, what is their question for these guys? >> who is going to do something in the next four years where you don't have a debate over whether one is better off or not. i think there is, tom and i were just talking about that. there is a hunger for big ideas. will is a hunger for a kind of leadership that goes, harkens to our better hours, and i think wherever you stand, in a partisan sense,ronald reagan hadig ideas, bill clinton had big ideas, and we thought that barack obama did, and for all of the circumstances and all the data points, it just has been very hard for him to breakthrough, and i think that what worries me most is that we are in a moment where in terms of the two parties we are in a battle for the narcissism of small differences, that it is one, one party essentially with -- an establishment party with two wgs, an i tnk that is why you have a great deal of disaffection. >> rose: you took note at the time of neal armstrong's death. >> yes. >> rose: that was a remind that the country has been its best when it had a